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[NOTE: This transcript has not undergone a final proofreading and may contain
errors. It is being provided in draft form to enhance access to the video recording. As soon as possible, it will be replaced with a final, corrected transcript and will be synced to the video to provide clickable timecodes.]Anna Takada: 00:00 Great. This is an interview with, uh,
Aylen Hasegawa: 00:06 Aylen Hasegawa.
AT: 00:06 Aylen Hasegawa, uh, as part of Alphawood Gallery Chicago resettlement
experience oral history project, the oral history project is being conduc-, conducted in line with the current exhibition: "Then They Came For Me: Incarceration of Japanese Americans during WWII and the Demise of Civil Liberties." Today is October 6th, at about 5:30 PM and we're recording at the Alphawood Gallery Oral History Studio. Aylen Hasegawa is being interviewed by Anna Takada of Alphawood Gallery. So now that that's out of the way, um, you just start by stating your name, your full name.AH: 00:45 Okay. Uh, Aylen Hasegawa.
AT: 00:48 And can you tell me a little bit about, uh, where you were born?
AH: 00:53 Yeah. Well, in my case, it's a little ironic that I happened to be
born on the very day that President Roosevelt signed Executive Order 9066, February 19th, 1942, and at the time, uh, our family, the Hasegawa family, had a farm, uh, near Puyallup, Washington. So we were relatively close to what eventually became or declared as the assembly center, uh, for persons from primarily Washington, Oregon, uh, and all of the exclusion zone in that, in that particular region. So, uh, uh, it was ironic in the sense that at the time the Pacific coast was already quarantined relative to, uh, restricting travel for Japanese and Japanese-Americans as well. They make no distinction whether you're an American citizen or otherwise. And it happened that, uh, as I was arriving at a very inconvenient time, uh, because the, uh, Pearl Harbor had occurred, the, uh, the, uh, uh, doctor that operated a clinic, a Dr. Charles, uh, Aylen In, uh, in the, uh, city of Puyallup, Washington, uh, uh, decided to defy I guess the, uh, it's a very strict curfew that applied to Japanese and Japanese-Americans and insisted that my mother come and deliver me, uh, in his clinic. So this was kind of in direct opposition of the existing curfew laws. And, uh, Dr. Charles Aylen was, uh, I think a dedicated country guy who didn't pay that much attention to the fact that he may have been violating or putting himself into actually some kind of, uh, jeopardy, and certainly a violation of the curfew laws. So I came along, so that was my only claim to fame. After which, and two months later, we, uh, we were all, um, moved to the Puyallup fairgrounds. Ironically, this, the Puyallup fairgrounds was put together rather in a roughshod method, so according to my parents, especially my mother, we were housed in what was a horse stall, you know, as such. And, uh, it was, I guess pretty traumatic for them because this, especially for my mother who at that time now had three, uh, infant boys, uh, all in diapers. So the story is, is that because of that fact and the also the fact that you could only, uh, what, uh, take basically what, uh, you could carry, she stuffed all the suitcases with diapers, so they didn't have much of anything else. So I'm going to the assembly center, uh, and then several months later, then we were moved, uh, permanently to the Minidoka Concentration Camp. So, uh, so that, that in and of itself was somewhat of a, you know, inauspicious start for, for our lives. So...AT: 04:19 And with your brothers would it, what's the age difference or birth
order of your brothers?AH: 04:30 Okay. Richard was born in 1941, excuse me, 1940, and Gary was '41. I
was '42. So we were just, uh, my mother just, I guess she didn't have much rest or whatever. Okay. So we were all right there, close together, essentially eleven months apart and uh, we're all, uh, you know, so we're all infants. And then in19 and about 20 months later after I was born then, uh, our youngest brother, uh, Robert was born in Minidoka, uh, in 1943. But um, so we're all, uh, I think quite a handful I would say.AT: 05:14 And um, how long was your family in camp, in Minidoka?
AH: 05:20 In camp itself? Uh, let's see. Minidoka opened and I'm think-, we-, I
believe that we were moved nearly immediately. Uh, Minidoka was opened in early August. Uh, and we were there until, I would say around September or so of forty-, you know, I want to say forty-, uh, '44. So we were there probably around two and a half years as a, as a family unit, although my father, uh, applied for and gained, uh, early release, uh, to, get resettled in, uh, the Midwest, initially in Rockford, Illinois. And then later on with the family to Chicago, Illinois. And that was about, so we were, we were as a family probably in the September of '44 for the family and, and now the four boys to Rockford initially. By that time, my father, and I don't know how he did this, but as I was told, he worked three jobs to earn enough money, uh, to, to buy, uh, to buy a house in Rockford. Now unfortunately, because we were moving during, during the time of war, right so this was late, uh, by this time, late '44, uh, and with the war ongoing, the people in the house who were renting a house at the time that my father had bought it in a time that we were migrating out of uh West Coast to Midwest, uh, refused to move. And, uh, their terminology was pretty derogatory. It was, we're not gonna move for some dirty Japs and they just, so they were basically squatters. Now fortunately at the time, uh, my mother with the four boys were on the sidewalk, pretty distraught, I guess, and, um, a neighbor just down the street happened to notice this commotion, kind of interesting. Her name was Myrtle Cavanaugh. And she saw this situation and once she found out what was going on that, uh, it was our house, but nobody, that people weren't going to move and so on and so forth, she actually, uh, summoned her husband to help intercede in this situation. Now, Ed Cavanaugh happened also to be a captain of the Rockford Police Department, so within a month or so, uh, of being delayed, we finally got apparently the squatters out of there and we were able to occupy our first owned house, uh, in, uh, in Rockford. Now I say first owned house because, as we are all aware of now, okay, the, the farm that we came out of, which was Puyallup, in Puyallup, uh, and with, uh, the state of Washington land laws and the fact that my, uh, issei grandfather, uh, grandparents couldn't own land, okay, because they were denied the right to get citizenship, that was a leased property. Okay. Now, they weren't smart enough, I guess, to put it into my father's name, so consequently that was leased property and so everything basically was lost there and that's why the move to the Midwest was uh very important, okay. One, my father couldn't have gone back to the west coast anyway to reestablish things. Everything that they already had was lost. Uh, they only received pennies on the dollar, I guess from their farm equipment and so on. So, uh, so the Midwest was where we ended up two years later or so. I'm not sure what the timing was. We then migrated to Chicago on the South Side.AT: 09:21 I'm so sorry. Do you mind taking off your hat? I'm just afraid we were
going to lose -AH: 09:27 Oh, okay.
AT: 09:28 - your eyes in the, in the shot. Um, uh, thank you for, for sharing
all of that. Um, so, um, your first memories, were they of Rockford or Chicago?AH: 09:49 Well, definitely it would be Rockford. By that time I would, I was
probably at least two and a half or so. So I have some memories. Uh...unfortunately, there weren't all that great memories because of, I was small, but Gary was a little bit, you know, like 11 months older and he managed, uh, and we managed to get into a rock fight, okay, with, and I hate to admit this with girls, but they were older girls. Okay. And that's where he got a scar on his forehead because one landed right, you know, took him right out, and stuff like that. So that's about, uh, and you know, there were adventures with, uh, you know, both of my brothers, I remember, um, we really didn't have any money and by that time my father had moved on to Chicago to get established there. So my mother was left with us. And I do remember one thing is that she would take us to the, kind of the local windmill, I guess, and she would get a gunny sack, you know for a penny or two of, uh, wood ends. And we'd bring them home and those were our toys. So that's, that's a, which was fine, you know, and stuff like that. But that's how I remember it. And now you put it into context of what kids have today and it's, uh, kind of remarkable, like I still think I liked woodblocks better.AT: 11:12 And so, of the, the stories, um, kind of like the family stories that
you have of camp, was this all learned from your parents? Did they share about this experience with you?AH: 11:29 This is the interesting part is that we as a family didn't have
conversations about that experience until actually the redress hearings in the '80s, uh, in which my mother was an active participant. In fact, she gave testimony and so on, at that time, the full story and the impact to the family, uh, really, uh, was not, uh, was not all that well known. Not in any detail. Uh, and during the formative years right between the time that we moved to Chicago and started the school, um, uh, our family did not, and especially my parents, did not complain or resent or provide resentment, uh, with regard to their experience. But it was mostly, and I would say entirely a matter of us growing up to take, always take responsibility; alright, you know, to, to do the right thing; to work very, very hard. And, uh, there was no, there was no complaining, there was no whining that it was no, no, uh, excuse-making, okay, for I guess anything we did. So, you know, consequently the emphasis was on, um, working hard, getting an education, and for boys don't get caught. So, uh, I don't know. So we ended up with, you know, a younger brother, Bob became, uh, you know, an attorney. And then Gary has had, I guess a, a real knack for design and product development and stuff like that. So he has, he still has like 33 patents in his name. Um, and he's the guy that gave you tab pulls for soda cans that you didn't litter the, the ground with. Okay. Cause he, he came up with the one with the, that was detach-, uh, non-attachable. And then I got involved with, uh, information technology, and uh, and cybersecurity and stuff like that before I retired. So we, you know, we all worked hard and gone to completely different areas. Richard, our oldest, unfortunately died very young, so but, uh, there was no, there was no true, I, I don't know how to say it, but it's like using that, using our experience as a reason why we couldn't accomplish something, I guess, is a way, that was not allowed. Period. And in fact, my mother was very, very outgoing. She was kinda like the spark of the family cause she, um, she was a registered nurse, uh, during a wartime, during the wartime at at the camp experiences, she was, she worked very, very hard in the, uh, in the hospital clinic at Minidoka, okay. And through an extended family because there, my father had two sisters and also her, uh, his mother was also in camp at the time too, they helped take care of us while my mother also, uh, you know, volunteered and did work in the, uh, in the camp hospital as well. So when we were in Chicago, then she became, um, she was, uh, functioned as a nurse here as well. Uh, primarily into our formative years, at the University of Chicago with a, with a, little babies, stuff like that; neonatology and stuff like that. So on and so forth. But she constantly, the thing about her was that she, because the University of Chicago they had a bunch of, uh, displaced students running around, and during the holidays, uh, it was, uh, you know, they had no place to go very often. She would find them and drag 'em all home. So she would have Thanksgiving and Christmas, uh, what, with these students. So we, we got to know these guys as well and so on. So that was kind of a nice experience.AT: 15:54 And your father, did he take up any work while in camp?
AH: 15:59 He was, uh, yeah, he, well he worked in the kitchen, I think. And uh,
uh, but he had left because he had early release and that was in late '43, so he was one of the very early ones, uh, to get re-, early release so he can get, we can get reestablished in, uh, in the Midwest, go through a resettlers program. So, uh, that was his primary interest. And then, uh, like I said, once in Rockford, he, I, I don't know how the fella did it, okay. Cause, uh, if I had lost all my livelihood, all my, uh, um, family relationships and so on and so forth, and taken away all their property, uh, I'm not sure what I would've done, but he went to Rockford and worked three jobs and, and within a year and a half, had enough money to buy a house. I mean, that's crazy. And since we all lived on leased land, that was the first owned property that we actually had. So we're, you know, despite the, you know, moving in, uh, issues, uh, that was, that was a good thing.AT: 17:02 And when he came to, or when your family came to Chicago, um, where
did you all settle and, and what was your father doing at that time?AH: 17:13 He was, um, uh, at the time, then, uh, we had some family already
preceding us. Okay. His older sister and her husband, they had established a kind of restaurant, okay, on the South Side. So he went and worked with them, uh, for actually, for quite a while. So that, so that, was what he was doing. So he wasn't uh, he wasn't professionally trained. Okay. But, so, but that's what he did, and worked very, very hard at it.AT: 17:44 Do you know anything about the restaurant? What it was called or what
kind of food they had?AH: 17:50 This was called the Atlantic Inn. It was on Pershing Road in Chicago.
This was the South Side. They're not, I don't know. I remember this was not the, I guess you would call it, the very best, uh, exclusive area of South Side of Chicago. So I remember signs that my uncle and my father had posted in the restaurant that said, nope. In the booths it said, no dope pedaling allowed. So this was not your ideal place, okay. But it was, it was a livelihood. Uh, we started, actually, we started working, uh, there, as, even as kids. Um, uh, my first experience was, actually, I was around seven years old and I was assigned pots and pans. Uh, so I would get up in the morning and then, uh, go with my father, and, uh, he, he, uh, I guess he sold it as training. So this is about time you guys started to do something for yourselves. I was seven years old, so it was training, therefore you got no salary, and uh, and actually I never got out of pots and pans. I was stuck.AT: 19:11 What did that mean exactly? Washing?
AH: 19:11 Uh, yes. Yeah. I would stand up, I would have a stool because I wasn't
tall enough to reach these, uh, these are these deep sinks, you know, commercial type sinks as such, so I would, they would get me a stool. I would stand up on there. And then, they, they went through the enormous, this was not modern, you know, cookery, the, you know, they had enormous amounts of pots. I thought, huge amounts of pots and pans. Okay. So it was an endless and thankless job, okay. But, uh, that's what I was supposed to do. So...AT: 19:42 And what, um, I'm sorry, did you say that this was owned by your family?
AH: 19:42 Yes, it was owned by my uncle, okay, who was married, he was my
uncle-in-law married to my father's oldest sister. And they had come in and established themselves a little bit earlier and I don't know, uh why and where for us, okay. But they also, uh, cause we initially lived in one of their apartments in one of the, in the building, that he actually owned or operated or whatever. And he also had, uh, the Atlantic Inn that I just mentioned. In addition to that, there was another restaurant in the Hyde Park area on the, called the Good Eats Cafe. Now that one was a little bit better, uh, position. And in fact, in subsequent years it was, it was well...good enough, uh, considered good enough so that he even had the, the Los, at the time, the Los Angeles Rams come and eat there and so on and so forth. So that was a better, I think a better situation. Atlantic Inn was a little, a little iffy, actually it was across the street, where the, where the, uh, where the, uh, El Rukns established their headquarters in that area. So, so it was, uh, it was interesting, but that's, that's how we grew up. We grew up on uh, went to school on the South Side of Chicago, primarily Oakenwald Grammar School and Shakespeare Grammar School, just around 40-, I don't know, 44th or 46 and Greenwood, somewhere in there. Uh, so, uh, we're South Side kids.AT: 21:16 And where did you go to high school?
AH: 21:18 Went to high school in, uh, uh, South Shore High School. Uh,
interesting enough, South Shore was at the time that we, uh, hit high school was actually one of the, one of the highest rated schools academically. They sucked in sports, but they were very good academically. Bear in mind that at the time, South Shore, uh, in the South Side was, um, uh, although we were in the throes of a huge migration going on in the South Side of Chicago, uh, with many of the, um, uh, um, black folks coming in because there was a lot of, uh, lots of industry and lots of factory jobs going on and so on and so forth. But South Shore was primarily actually, uh, Jewish. So, uh, so that was a, I think a good school to go to and we had deliberately tried to move further in there so we could, I believe, take advantage of the schools. I know I'm going to give our family credit for thinking like that, although, I don't know, okay. Uh, but we were also at a boundary point where we were what we call redline. In other words, people, if you were not white, you couldn't move beyond a certain point. So we were right on, you know, on the boundary point there in that, but we still qualified into, to get into the South Shore High School, uh, region.AT: 22:48 Do you remember the address of that home you had?
AH: 22:51 Yeah, it was, uh, 1436, uh, east 71st Place. Just a little bit west
of, uh, Stony Island. And uh, South Shore, the South Shore district was a little bit, probably a little, uh, definitely, uh, further east and south. Alright. So we were kind of right on the borderline.AT: 23:17 And, um, at the time when you're growing up on the South Side, um,
were there other Japanese-American families in your neighborhood or that you grew up with?AH: 23:29 The Nakayamas. I remember Joanne and I thought she was really cute.
And I remember her, we were actually in the same class. I remember, I dunno, it was a really strange, I remember this is, that she was the smart one. So she had to help the, you know just uh, there's a, like a, some kind of, this is in, you know, maybe fourth grade or whatever it is. In any case, she was chosen, uh, to help monitor a reading session that the rest of us had to go through. So we had to, you know, if we didn't know what the word was, okay, we would raise our hand and she would come over and educate you, I guess. Okay. So, uh, she was the teacher's pet. What can I say?AT: 24:19 So was it just that, that one family, uh Japanese-American family?
AH: 24:24 No, no, there are many others. There is others as well. As a matter of
fact, and we were talking about this at dinner, there was a fellow that was featured and I had, I confess, I have not seen the, the Ken Burns Vietnam War, but there was a Japanese-American, uh, that was featured in one of uh, I guess on one of the sessions. I happened to see it on Facebook. And this session was featuring a fellow by name of Vincent Okamoto, and he was being portrayed as a, well, a Vietnam War hero and so on. And, uh, they went through his exploits and so on and so forth, and, um, and I just happened to notice on Facebook and that struck me as being very familiar. And as it turns out, we knew Vincent, you know, and that he and his father used to visit us, uh, in my, my, uh, uncle's old, uh, apartment building. So we knew, knew of Vincent. Vincent Okamoto, but I didn't realize that. And I remember that, uh, they were, they were one of the people resettled in Chicago under her family. And I, I, I don't know why I remember this because I was fairly young, but they were going to be moving back to California as soon as possible. See, so many of the Japanese-Americans were pulled into Chicago and there was, we had quite a few in the, uh, on the South Side of Chicago, um, through the, I think the efforts of the Resettlers Committee. Right. And, um, I think they were one of them, but a lot of, a lot of them wanted to get back to the west coast. We didn't, but they did. And they went to, back I guess to, California and so on. So we were talking about this at dinner, like two weeks ago. I said, 'you know, there was a name, uh, that I saw on Facebook,' cause everybody was asking 'did you see the Vietnam War thing?' And I said, 'no, I didn't. Uh, but I do remember this one, uh, one, uh, element of it.' And then, uh, so, Gary cause he loves to Google things, I said, 'Gary, Google that name Vincent Okamoto, it sounds very familiar.' And as it turns out, yeah, that's Vincent. So that was interesting. He was also born in camp, so he was actually up here with and about the same age as my, our, our younger brother Robert. Okay. So...AT: 26:47 And when you were growing up, were you, um, involved in any activities
or extracurricular activities? Sports, clubs, boy scouts?AH: 27:00 I wasted my youth. Okay. I, uh, I have to admit, I, uh, managed to get
involved with, uh, music, and uh, so I, uh, studied clarinet and then later on, uh, don't ask me how, I managed to fall into a band. So we played all kinds of, throughout all my, starting when I was 15 years old, through, uh, I completely neglected everything and we just played, uh, dates and weddings and so on and so forth. So I, by that time I had, I had a clarinet, and then, um, a tenor sax, alto sax and so on. I was the reed guy and so on. But unbeknownst to me, it was kind of interesting, my high school teacher thought enough of me to set me up with, uh, music lessons and he had been sending me to Chicago Conservatory, uh, for clarinet. And I, I never really appreciated what the guy did for me. Okay. He just said go there. I did. You know, we had to, I had, so I had good training, so it was kind of nice, but I kind of wasted. I just, we just played dates all over the place. It was really a lot of fun, so I got nothing done.AT: 28:11 Do you remember that teacher's name?
AH: 28:14 I do, you know, I do not. Okay. He was, um, I do remember this though.
He, he was married to a Japanese lady. But I don't remember his name. No. And no one has asked me for 50 years.AT: 28:32 And, um, your family, did you all stay on the South Side or did you
ever move at any point?AH: 28:40 I would say that, uh, yeah, we stayed there for, actually, for quite a
while, um, through high school. Okay. After that, then we started to move. My father started, uh, was, got sick. Uh, I was, um, I had some misadventures in college, initial college years, you know, uh, joined the army, you know, for a couple of years, and, uh, I came back. By that time we started to, you know, move out and so on. So, um, I would say through the college years or you know, like maybe 19 or 20 years. And then, uh, at that point we, uh, uh, moved away, but still in Chicago.AT: 29:31 Around the '60s? Would you say, is that about right?
AH: 29:34 I would say, yeah. I would say more in the mid, mid-sixties.
AT: 29:38 Yeah. And to where did your family move? What parts of Chicago?
AH: 29:44 Uh, well my mother moved to the, uh, near the, the Chicago Buddhist
church. Or. She wasn't Buddhist, but that was the area that some of the South Side Japanese, uh, moved to, to the North Side. And, uh, so she, I think she had a small apartment, so on and so forth. But my father, bear in mind, uh, got very sick. He had diabetes and it really, you know, uh, that really, uh, killed him. Alright. So, she was by herself in an apartment. And then from there, she came, became involved with the development of, um, something called the Heiwa Terrace. The Heiwa Terrace is, um, what, Lawrence, and um Broadway or somewhere in that area. Yeah right. And so on. So she was one of the kind of organizing forces behind that. Uh, uh, the Nakawatase boys who were architects, and whom we also, you know, were childhood friends with, uh, you know, helped build and design that thing. And then, uh, and so later, uh, uh, we encouraged her, well, instead of being in this apartment, why don't you go, you know, go to Heiwa Terrace? And, uh, and, and she did, which was nice, okay. And then that's, so that's where she settled. Um, and uh, let's see. Well, and then uh, I was thinking around Chicago someplace, on the North Side by this time. Uh, and, uh, you know, went to school and, uh, met Louise during one of our, we were tutoring. This is interesting. So, some-, somebody had hooked me up with, well, 'can you go tutor, uh, needy students on the North Side?' I said, 'uh, well, okay.' Um, so in going there, I discovered that, uh, these were all primarily Asian kids and they really didn't need any tutoring. Okay. What it was is that I think their parents were interested in getting them to move and accelerate as well as possible, academically. So ran into a bunch of, you know, really gifted, gifted kids and it was a lot of fun. But that's also where I met Louise and we got married and so on. We didn't have any kids of our own, but uh, you know, we're still together somehow or another.AT: 32:11 And you two are settled in Sauganash now?
AH: 32:14 Yeah. Initially, we were in, uh, we were up in Highland Park. Uh, and
her father at the time, uh, turned out was the General Superintendent, uh, up in Highland Park in district 113. And uh, it was just all coincidence, okay. But, uh, and then, um, and then, uh, we moved to, uh, back to Chicago from Highland Park after about five years or so. Cause we weren't seeing people; we felt isolated out there. So we'll be closer to our friends, and you know, so we went back to Chicago and found out that wasn't the reason they weren't visiting us.AT: 32:56 Um, well, we're, we're actually reaching our half an hour mark.
AH: 33:01 Okay, good.
AT: 33:01 But before we wrap up, um, is there anything that you would want to
add or that we might've missed?AH: 33:08 I, I, well I would just simply say that uh, until this type of, uh,
documentation, uh, this project and some of the things I've seen, I haven't seen all of the exhibit here, uh, and also the, the movements through, um, uh, the, uh, the Densho project and so on, where I'm starting to get acquainted with some real, real experiences from people that have a true memory of the wartime, uh, wartime era, since I was really an infant that, uh, I am becoming much more appreciative of what the hell they really went through. What they had lost and the challenges they had to overcome. And doing this with a, I would say, well, this is what has taught me something. It was the grace and the, and the humility and just the sincer- sincerity and the integrity that they, they conducted their lives throughout without bitterness. Just trying to do as much as they could; trying to help their, uh, their kids in the family and to stay on the right track. Uh, just, um, you see all the dissension that's going on today, in today's world, and everybody's got a gripe, I know that, okay. And everybody has suffered in some way. They have been slighted and they've been insulted and they've been denied. But, um, uh, I am more appreciative of the way our parents, uh, handled what had happened to them, especially with regard to how they translated that or transmitted that, uh, throughout their lives and also affected us. I'm much more appreciative. Much more appreciative. And this type of effort is just, I think, marvelous. Absolutely marvelous. It's, it's taught me, one of the people, a lot. So, um, I'm just touched by it.AT: 35:20 Wh-, what are some of your hopes for, for those kinds of efforts? Why
is it important to document and to, to share the story with others?AH: 35:31 Well, given the climate that we are in now, without getting overtly
political, alright, this is the type of effort that is needed even more so. The, the, the dissension that we are seeing a, lot of it through misinformed or ill-informed people, okay, are forming the basis for more, uh, tension and prejudice, and unfortunately, violence. Alright. And that's where I think that this type of of project, if given the right venue, the right exposure, okay, certainly can help for those that want to, I guess, open their minds and to learn a little bit more of our, of our history. So that, that's a, uh, that's a very, very worthwhile goal. And even if you affect, you know, some people, uh, I think that's worth it. So, uh, I'm an, I'm deeply appreciative of finding a venue like this and to put the effort that's been put into this. I just, I'm, I'm blown away. I really am. And I'm very impressed. And the level and the, I think the, uh, the, the professionalism that you guys have put in, this is amazing to me. So I, I, I'm a fan and I just dropped in, so thank you.AT: 37:04 Thank you so much for taking the time to speak with us.
AH: 37:07 Okeydoke.
AT: 37:07 We really appreciate it.
AH: 37:10 Yes.
